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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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welcome back to that ufo podcast we're

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carrying on with tim mcmillan from our

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interview if you're listening on the

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patreon apple premium spotify premium

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you've probably heard that a few minutes

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ago you like to listen all the way

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through if you're listening on the free

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feeds thanks for coming back this has

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been out about a week later um we

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finished up talking about anti-neutrinos

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we had covered chris mellon his article

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on the us air force they're calling them

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out and we touched on different

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satellite systems a couple of things i

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want to touch on before we get to

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listener questions of which we've got a

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varied topic in range as always

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tim um you

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very recently worked on a series devices

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of unknown origin and that was going to

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be a four part series now parts one two

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and three all came out over over a

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staggered period now i'm think i'm going

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back to

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before before the summer last year

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yeah it was right in the end of may the

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week leading up to uh the big od and i

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and great series great articles we

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covered it in detail on the podcast

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part four however has never been

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released and this is something a few

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people got in touch with me about you

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mentioned uh off the cuff uh on the part

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one that there was going to be this new

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part four and a lot of parts now it

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wasn't there part one of the podcast

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interview and you mentioned part four of

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that series was coming out so what's why

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the delay and what can we expect in part

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sure yeah well the delay is definitely

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uh was never by design per se uh

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other than i you know i've told people

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george c martin with uh the you know the

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game of thrones series there where he's

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i think he still has to finish two more

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uh even though the tv shows finished so

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we all know what's going to happen

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george just write it out um

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here i am complaining at him and i'm i'm

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equally as guilty here uh and so it was

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never by design per se but it was a lot

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of um there was original direction that

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i was going to go with kind of closing

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and then i didn't feel like there was

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going to be enough closure if that made

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sense because with that series you know

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i went really in depth with a

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case going back to the 1960s

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and an eyewitness there that uh an event

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that's

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was really it wasn't i won't say unknown

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but very little known and um

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involving the us navy but it's very much

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like the the nimitz events so this was

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something where we had radar tracks and

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it went on for multiple days and ryan

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graves's thing we brought it more into

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the more recent events with the

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roosevelt and then with part three

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some exclusive interviews with the

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part four was always supposed to be kind

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of what does all three of these really

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we were going to go with that and uh

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it's a much like any anybody can that's

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been involved in this topic for any

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length of time can probably appreciate

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anytime you you think you've reached

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some sort of hill or conclusion uh it

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there's a reason that i don't put out

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quality stuff and so we kind of

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stuff that uh to add to that now

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hopefully we won't be here next year and

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you're saying so tim part four people

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goes on inside the debrief so you know

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like steve mcdaniel and mj and mike and

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those guys whenever i'm like yeah i'm

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working on this or like is it part four

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on this that's a little too early to to

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put out there and it's technically it is

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a debrief project but it is not my

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project so i don't want to say more than

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colleagues wants me to say right now but

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works that uh hopefully i think will it

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to the uap ufo topic and hopefully be

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bring something new to the to the

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subject that people are going to like

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the latest time frame so again a lot of

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things are fluid right now with that but

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the part four and then also hopefully

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frankly should surpass even part four a

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lot of interesting stuff that uh

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and i'm looking forward to to more of it

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as it comes in if that makes any sense

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at all and it's intentionally ambiguous

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finish off but i might as well ask there

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what is to come that you can talk about

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devices of unknown origin series that

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like that's the kind of stuff i really

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because it includes a lot of information

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perspectives and and gives a more

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personal view than just the straight

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the works that relate to uh you know

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pentagon right now in the subject but a

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little more specific to the actual

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activities and the new office all of

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that good stuff uh there would be more

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i have teased it and it's still in the

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works there's some stuff related to

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russia's involvement with this topic and

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what are the holiday looking at it that

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we're going to be taking a lot of a team

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approach to some of these big stories

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coming up this year so you'll see a lot

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of me and micah and chris plain working

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big feature stories and exciting stories

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getting them out more frequently is

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doing like most news george

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organizations if you check the byline

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there's three or four reporters nobody

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reads the byline but the writers anyway

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um nobody cares who wrote it but uh

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we're actually working on one right now

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u.s and i think

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starts looking at and addressing this

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but we've heard so much about the navy

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and about the military and department of

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defense but obviously they're not the

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only federal agencies out there

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ranges so what else is going on and are

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should be very interesting

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international efforts the last time we

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had just announced project titan we

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touched on that paula gazzardi then came

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on the podcast the italian

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what have you heard what are you

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expecting this year in terms of other

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people getting on board potentially

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you know i haven't heard a lot so far

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whether san marino tabled that and if

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it's something that they're going to

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revisit at this upcoming or the next u.n

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uh meeting or whether or not that's

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something that they have just completely

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shelved and said they're not interested

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in and if that's the case uh whether

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iser is going to try to present that to

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another country or not so i haven't

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heard anything there that's kind of in

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limbo uh you know probably something

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that i need to to follow up on with

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paulo and some of those guys and see

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what uh they're doing there

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on the international front it's it's

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it's been a little quiet i'll be honest

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with you but again i think um

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there's been a lot especially in europe

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and eastern europe right now there's a

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lot of tensions and uh geopolitical

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tensions and everything and so it hasn't

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necessarily been i mean this goes into a

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lot of what we were talking about on the

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first half about how how easy it is

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this right here is a much more pressing

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for harm damage or good that can come

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out of this um

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ufos

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doesn't seem to be something that we

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consider maybe it's real you know maybe

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we have evidence it's real but it's not

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something we consider a pressing issue

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and so when there's a lot of stuff going

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on and i think

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unlike we saw last year because you've

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got the pandemic still lingering on

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you've got all these different

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geopolitical things i think

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some of the international stuff i at

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least haven't heard any kind of renewed

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uh

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any renewed

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real serious ventures that'll be going

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on there but i love being surprised so

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yeah um i may be just as surprised as

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everybody else that would be a welcome

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surprise or addition this year much

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needed especially from a uk point of

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view and again if you are in the uk

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check out uap media dot uk a group i'm

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part of myself with some other guys i've

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talked about before and we're trying to

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kind of push the conversation forward

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here and from a uk point of view

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speaking to various journalists and

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whatnot as well so folks check that out

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tim listen our questions we've got a

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good range of stuff here um i tend not

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to go over them with the guests

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beforehand either although we touched on

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one or two that had came up in the short

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break we had um first off we've got

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jason from los angeles jason says hi

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fellas is there a video online of a uap

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or alien for example skinny bob that tim

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finds most compelling or something you

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think everyone should look at

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um this is a good question um

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yeah i i don't i don't i can't say that

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i can think of any uh

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entities videos that i've ever seen and

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been like oh wow that's got to be real

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so uh i think skinny bob's

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seeing about fun man i hope skinny bob's

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real but uh i can't necessarily say

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there's there's any i even have any

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anecdotal evidence that's real i think

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the in terms of videos the

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the one that always jumps out to me um

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is the

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nellis range video that was filmed in

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the early 1990s and we actually have

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that on uh it's one of it's one of

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it may be the only

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uab video that we have on our debrief uh

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youtube channel

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and it is one that we have on there

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that one's always been very interesting

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to me because it's uh you know it's

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about 20 plus minutes of video and it's

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taken from two different uh it's taken

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by two different cameras and it's taken

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from two different time intervals but i

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think uh

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you know unlike we see with the even

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like the nimitz or the go fast videos

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these types of things those those videos

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have much more compelling um

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you know eyewitness testimony because

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you have the the pilots and so in this

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instance we don't have that but uh that

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one's always been intriguing to me

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because on top of the fact that you

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can't really identify what the object is

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it also appears it moves erratically

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that

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it doesn't move consistent with what we

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would see in the aerodynamics of normal

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aircraft or drones and you know

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because it was taken in the early 1990s

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um you know we have to look at you know

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where's the state of drone technology in

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anyway you know there there is potential

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that uh

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it

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some of the movements could look like a

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quadcopter because it moves parallel you

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know it kind of does these weird

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zigzagging uh patterns that we've

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heard people like ryan graves uh talk

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about with the roosevelt incidences but

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again we're talking early 90s so you

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know obviously there is drone technology

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that exists there but even today when

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you look at quadcopters

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um you know there's very limited battery

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range and so this video has taken over

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about an hour time frame

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and so

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yeah i don't know i i think that that's

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one of the ones

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unfortunately

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not a whole lot i've tried there's not a

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whole lot i can get on it because of the

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time frame and you know i did talk to

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some people who had worked on these

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recent events so the the 2004 to 2021

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you know the stuff that went into the

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preliminary report and i asked i have

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asked about that video and uh

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i was told it was not one of the ones

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that was investigated by a tip or the

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task force or anything like that

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but i was told it is authentic it is

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real i say no no it's real

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they didn't go past

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what made them say that they didn't say

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much more than that but they said that

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it was real and so it's an interesting

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one it's an interesting one to me and i

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think just because

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a lot of the stuff you see there um

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doesn't look

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normal you know it's not normal i think

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uh

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some of the some of the ones that have

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recently come out but not made

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have not generated a lot of attention

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and i won't say that they what you see

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in them

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is overly impressive but uh the video

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that was released a couple months ago

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the rubber duck

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one

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um

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you know i think there was another 810

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warthog which wasn't you know

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i think that could be anything

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that one's not nearly impressive but i

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think where they are coming from are

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interesting to me they're very very

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interesting because there's uh

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very little doubt in my mind that

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those videos were captured by

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government sensor systems and and

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national guard aircraft actually i'm

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very familiar with the

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aircraft filming them and that type of

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systems up there so the fact that

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that occurred um

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the fact of what they recorded on are

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intriguing to me those are intriguing

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but i won't say that what you're seeing

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in there at least for me at a lot of

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times

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i don't see anything that's like

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earth shattering but the fact that

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where they're coming from the provenance

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of that that that's intriguing to me

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luigi asks now he says there's been a

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lot of fuss about drones and also the

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hypothesis of havana syndrome

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potentially being caused by a foreign

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weapon and he's looking for your

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thoughts on these so for the first part

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drones like you mentioned i think it's

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now the go-to isn't it for

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misidentification of flying saucers but

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we say ufo people mean aliens we all

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know an unidentified flying object is

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just that however is it too easy do you

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think now for

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people without an interest in the

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subject

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that like to debunk or go straight to

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the prozac to say drone is there

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anything you look for particularly

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within these videos like you've

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mentioned the the length of time that

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the objects there that can really be a

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cause for alarm

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sure yeah no absolutely i mean i i do

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think you're you're absolutely right in

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terms of the idea that uh

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you know drones can easily drone is are

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used to easily explain uh a lot of times

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um in the same way

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you know there's still very limited

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information

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you know and

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in essence uh i think a lot of times

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that it's dismissed as drones by some

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people for the same reason that others

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will see the same thing and go it's it's

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aliens there's no doubt in my mind

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because it's just it comports to

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whatever their pre-existing beliefs are

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where the real in truth here is i don't

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know we don't know because there are

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certainly you know in certain instances

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that

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today don't

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match at least what we're talking about

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when we're talking about

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what people are seeing

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and the behaviors that they're noting

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a lot of these objects engage in

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you know including like you mentioned um

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you know if you look to the roosevelt

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events um

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they're talking about these being

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persistently airborne at you know 10 15

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20 30 000 feet 50 000 feet

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um for hours you know those were things

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when i spoke to ryan graves he said it

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appeared to them as if these objects

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could stay out there indefinitely if

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they want it

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and so

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that's not drones i mean even if we're

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talking about

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you know really you know we're talking

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about the

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mq1 reapers or predator drones or

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something they may have a significant

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flight time but they're still working on

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a fuel source and once that fuel source

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is exhausted uh that you know we're

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talking about a couple hours uh we're

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not talking about half a day 24 hours um

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you know there there are fixed-wing

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aircraft that can do this that kind of

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stuff but there may basically

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more or less like a glider any sense so

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a lot of times they're switching off and

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on uh conserving fuel sources but that's

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not what's being described here by these

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pilots and so

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um

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those you know

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again you're you're gonna have to

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achieve aerodynamics you're gonna have

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to achieve flight by the same ways that

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we know how

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whether it's achieved draft uh excuse me

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lift and drag through means of rotors

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like helicopters you know quadcopter or

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whether it's gonna be a fixed-wing

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aircraft

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and in these instances where we have

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something where

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let's go back to the nimitz incident

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where you see a tic-tac with no control

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surfaces well that doesn't comport

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by any means to any type of known direct

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technology

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so i think it's easy to dismiss it there

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at the same time i'm sure that there's

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there's certain times that people see

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lights in the sky that even might behave

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oddly they probably are drones because

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you know

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the ability to abruptly stop and and

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go descend and ascend or move parallel

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uh you know i think that the there's

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plenty of instances drones have both uh

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created in a situation where it can be

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lots of things can be easily dismissed

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without with very little effort by

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saying all those trons all right next

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please uh at the same time it's led to

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probably an increase of

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misidentifications and so

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you know i would say you know

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in any of these instances it all the

560
00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:19,840
proof is in the pudding and so how much

561
00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:21,840
effort has actually been put into that

562
00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:24,400
in determining what it is before you

563
00:20:29,270 --> 00:20:26,960
just dismiss it as a draw or say it's an

564
00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:29,280
alien spaceship

565
00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:31,120
so a few weeks ago at myself and my wife

566
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:32,559
kid's bedtime we were looking at the

567
00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:36,000
bedroom window and this light was flying

568
00:20:39,909 --> 00:20:38,720
at a decent speed across the across the

569
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:39,919
distance you could just see it because

570
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:42,000
it was pitch black and then it flew up

571
00:20:44,549 --> 00:20:43,600
into the air

572
00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:44,559
stayed

573
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:46,559
and my wife was like look at that and i

574
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:47,440
was like yeah and i was like you know

575
00:20:51,029 --> 00:20:49,200
what straight away i was like it's

576
00:20:52,549 --> 00:20:51,039
probably a drone

577
00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:52,559
and then i worked out from over that

578
00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:54,640
direction you've got the the fields and

579
00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:56,320
i've got a landmark called

580
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:58,080
northumberlandia if anyone wants to look

581
00:21:02,310 --> 00:21:00,480
that up it was actually where the the

582
00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:02,320
locally they are there's mines and all

583
00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:04,159
that kind of stuff and digging goes on

584
00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:05,440
and essentially what they've done was

585
00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:07,600
they put all the the mounds of dirt on

586
00:21:12,149 --> 00:21:09,679
this big massive piece of land it looked

587
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:12,159
horrendous and they paid an architect i

588
00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:13,760
believe he was from the us to design

589
00:21:17,909 --> 00:21:16,159
something and basically sculpt the land

590
00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:17,919
into this huge landmass called

591
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:19,520
northumberlandia look it up people

592
00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:21,280
that's satania there but essentially i

593
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:23,440
said to my wife it's almost definitely

594
00:21:28,149 --> 00:21:26,080
someone out there with a drone they're

595
00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:28,159
letting it go high up it's flying off

596
00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:30,080
that's the distance it can go it's

597
00:21:32,710 --> 00:21:31,360
staying there and it's going back

598
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:32,720
because it goes straight back over that

599
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:34,640
direction and then goes down to the

600
00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:35,679
ground

601
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:38,080
is there a 0.1 chance that was an alien

602
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:39,840
spacecraft taking off and going back

603
00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:42,559
there yeah but even me who hosts a ufo

604
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:45,039
podcast has gone and i filmed it there's

605
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:46,559
no point in the footage online though

606
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:48,559
it's a drone so yeah it's easy to go to

607
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:50,720
that um the other one no tim it was

608
00:21:54,149 --> 00:21:52,799
mentioned by luigi was havana syndrome

609
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:54,159
now this is something that's still

610
00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:55,840
getting traction even in the mainstream

611
00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:57,360
media now isn't it

612
00:22:01,270 --> 00:22:00,080
sure yeah well and actually

613
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:01,280
if we can go back for a second because

614
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:02,640
i'll tell you a funny

615
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:05,919
exactly an interesting drone story that

616
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:08,400
i don't think i've ever shared um

617
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:10,799
is that uh you know right when i got out

618
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:12,559
and took early retirement from policing

619
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:13,280
for

620
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:17,360
private firm as an investigator an intel

621
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:18,400
analyst

622
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:21,039
and um

623
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:24,720
this is out of pure happenstance too

624
00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:27,280
we had a client one time that uh

625
00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:28,880
hired us and

626
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:31,120
they hired me to investigate they

627
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:33,919
believed that they were being harassed

628
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:35,039
by

629
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:37,120
i'm trying to i'm gonna be very sparing

630
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:38,880
on details here just because there is a

631
00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:41,440
client uh privilege and and

632
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:43,679
confidentiality but uh they they believe

633
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:45,679
they were being harassed by

634
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:48,159
some individuals with drones

635
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:49,919
and so we're getting into it and i'm

636
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:51,679
like okay okay and they're like yeah

637
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:54,400
these things will be up for you know

638
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:56,159
hours at a time they'll go up and down

639
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:57,919
and up and down

640
00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:00,480
and i was like okay

641
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:02,320
we're not talking about commercial

642
00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:04,880
trunks here you know this is

643
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:06,960
and i doubt that that who they suspected

644
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:08,480
would have military

645
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:11,200
drone technology and um

646
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:12,720
it uh

647
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:15,520
on top of the fact that uh that still

648
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:17,360
didn't really match with what they're

649
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:19,280
saying and so it was interesting because

650
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:20,799
i got to investigate it's probably

651
00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:23,039
actually it's the only time in my

652
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:25,600
lifetime that i have ever been a

653
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:28,799
field ufo investigator um and was paid

654
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,840
for it

655
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:31,440
i haven't even done it for free but that

656
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:32,880
i went out there and

657
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,480
uh i did stake out the place for uh

658
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:38,640
a couple of nights and

659
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:40,480
i ended up seeing one

660
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:42,320
thing that i you know i felt pretty

661
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,159
confident was a drone

662
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:46,400
but it was fleeting and didn't last for

663
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,559
very long and but it didn't do anything

664
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:50,400
that didn't that looked any different

665
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:52,240
than somebody flying a drone up and yeah

666
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:54,960
you know playing with it but uh

667
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:57,360
that was i never did solve that one but

668
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:58,960
certainly the the kind of stuff that

669
00:24:02,149 --> 00:24:00,240
they were describing that they were

670
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:02,159
seeing or the harassment they were

671
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:03,360
experiencing

672
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:04,480
um

673
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:06,000
it would not

674
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:07,120
fit

675
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:10,400
uh any drones that i'm aware of and and

676
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:11,120
so

677
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:12,559
there's one of these interesting ones

678
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:14,159
where i think

679
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:15,840
we talk about the it's easy to dismiss

680
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:18,000
ufos as drones i i i can't help but

681
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:20,960
wonder how many times stuff that may be

682
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:23,279
legitimately interesting are also

683
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:26,000
dismissed as drones by people seeing it

684
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:26,880
yeah

685
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:29,039
and so it's very easy to dismiss

686
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:30,640
possibly some really interesting stuff

687
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:33,200
by taking the prosaic

688
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:35,360
i guess the easy way out the quick way

689
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:38,000
out without ever looking into it

690
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:40,000
same as cgi i think i've even said that

691
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:41,760
before in the past that of all the

692
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,679
videos online that you go that's that's

693
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:45,360
fake that's nonsense that looks like

694
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:47,840
this x y and z there's probably at least

695
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:50,640
that one out there that right is that

696
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:52,080
too good to be true

697
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,080
that can't be real and like you say

698
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:56,400
maybe it is the skinny bob video skinny

699
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:58,880
bob i was just thinking

700
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:01,039
i'm told there's a russian guy who does

701
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:02,880
like kind of hoax videos who

702
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:04,240
has an exact

703
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:06,799
same fit and style to this skinny bob

704
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:08,320
type footage and people have said

705
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:09,679
actually it's more than likely this guy

706
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:11,279
that's done it and i never looked into

707
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:14,159
it um but like the the turkey ufo video

708
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:15,760
that floats about it's a really popular

709
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:17,919
one with a handheld camera zooming in

710
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:18,960
and out

711
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:20,880
again looks too good to be true i've

712
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:22,720
never seen it debunked

713
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:26,080
but that set is you don't know what 100

714
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:27,679
genuine looks like doing it so it's hard

715
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:28,720
to say

716
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:30,880
right that's that's the real one

717
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:32,720
right no you're absolutely right yeah i

718
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:34,240
mean that's what we you know it's a

719
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:35,919
mystery and so you're right i think that

720
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:38,159
that's a it's a very good point and that

721
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:39,760
uh

722
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:41,440
it's too good to be true but you're like

723
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:43,120
what is true

724
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:45,840
so yeah that would be you know

725
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:47,360
does the potential exist out there some

726
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:49,120
of these ones that we've seen that have

727
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:52,480
been dismissed easily is it something

728
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:53,760
is it something really interesting i

729
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:56,000
think that's one of these dod videos to

730
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:58,080
got so much traction because we accepted

731
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:00,159
that these weren't going to be cgi that

732
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:04,159
type of thing but yeah so who knows yeah

733
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:05,919
luigi's other point time was on havana

734
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:08,080
syndrome and this is again one that's

735
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:10,000
kept traction within the mainstream

736
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:12,400
media you still hear it talked about uh

737
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:14,080
again as being a potentially a foreign

738
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:16,080
adversarial weapon what are your

739
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:17,760
thoughts on havana syndrome and why is

740
00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:20,320
it still persisting as a story sure yeah

741
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:23,840
no i think uh and it uh it is actually a

742
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:25,919
story that i have have been working on

743
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:29,679
for for some time still and uh i'll say

744
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:32,080
that i think there's there's definitely

745
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:34,159
some validity in the claims that people

746
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,080
have made i think that the people who

747
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:38,480
were received injuries and

748
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,240
uh these a lot of these reports of the

749
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:42,960
havana syndrome i i think that they're

750
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:44,880
valid i think that they have been

751
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:45,840
injured

752
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:48,320
uh and i think that

753
00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:50,720
you know it's not necessarily so first

754
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:53,919
of all uh you know my personal thoughts

755
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,520
and having looked at it for now about a

756
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:57,600
year since they started really digging

757
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:58,640
into it

758
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:59,440
um

759
00:27:01,909 --> 00:27:00,320
is

760
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,919
the idea that it's an anti-personnel

761
00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:03,840
weapon meaning that a foreign adversary

762
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:06,799
is actually intentionally zapping

763
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:08,480
people at u.s embassies that type of

764
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,159
thing i don't

765
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:12,480
think that that's going on

766
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,240
i do however believe that you very

767
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:18,240
likely have

768
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:21,600
some type of device which you know could

769
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:23,440
potentially be an airborne device you

770
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:26,080
know it's hard how it's being done but

771
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:29,039
uh the flooding of em radiation the

772
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:31,039
flooding of electromagnetic radiation

773
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:33,039
for signals intelligence and this type

774
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:35,919
of stuff this is um

775
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:38,480
this is not crazy talk and we know that

776
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:40,240
it can happen we know that it goes on

777
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:41,120
well

778
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:42,799
you know i mentioned this in article i

779
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:44,799
wrote for the washington examiner

780
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:46,799
not in the same context of havana syndra

781
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:48,880
but i brought up project gunmen from the

782
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:52,480
early late 1970s early 1980s

783
00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:54,080
where russia was doing this at the u.s

784
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:57,279
embassy in russia or the soviet union

785
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:59,039
and i mean this is exactly what they

786
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:00,880
were doing they were flooding

787
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:03,919
radiation em frequencies in

788
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,960
this was a a supply chain attack they

789
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:08,720
believe or at least it's never been

790
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:10,000
disclosed

791
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:13,120
but uh essentially the soviet union's uh

792
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:16,720
in the kgb had successfully

793
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:19,200
implanted receivers into

794
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:21,520
the typewriters that the embassy was

795
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:23,679
using and so they had them inside of

796
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:26,080
there very very sophisticated and so

797
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:28,480
they flood them with em frequency

798
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:30,080
signals and everything and they're able

799
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:30,799
to

800
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:33,039
uh extract and in this case they were

801
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:34,480
able to see everything that was being

802
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:35,360
typed

803
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:38,240
and so it sounds very much like you've

804
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:40,640
got somebody that this is

805
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:42,480
not intentionally like they're targeting

806
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:46,000
people but rather it's a byproduct of a

807
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:48,640
electronic or signals a collection

808
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:50,159
process that's going on so they're

809
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,320
flooding this with with different

810
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:54,240
microwaves or different frequencies in

811
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,399
order to extrapolate

812
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:58,559
intel electronic intelligence data from

813
00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:01,120
it but as a byproduct of that it uh can

814
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:02,720
cause harm and it's causing harm to

815
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:03,679
people

816
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:05,520
i think um

817
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:07,919
i legitimate i think that there's uh

818
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:10,080
there's a there's something to that i

819
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:13,840
know that uh the cia came out with

820
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:16,799
one report just recently a couple weeks

821
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:18,399
ago saying there was no evidence as a

822
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:20,240
foreign adversary or this type of thing

823
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:21,919
there was a foreign actor that was

824
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:25,600
responsible in that type of thing

825
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:27,600
i i you know i'm not necessarily

826
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:29,840
surprised well

827
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:32,320
that is a surprising conclusion i'm not

828
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:34,159
necessarily surprised that they put that

829
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:35,919
out there uh

830
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:38,320
mainly because you're you you'll see a

831
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,720
lot of conflict inside the intelligence

832
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:42,240
agencies as it is you'll see a lot of

833
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:47,430
differences of opinion and moreover

834
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:48,960
there's a lot of things when they come

835
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:50,559
public like that and they're put out in

836
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:52,240
these public statements they can be

837
00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:56,640
politically motivated as well and so

838
00:30:03,190 --> 00:29:59,919
i don't know if that's necessarily

839
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:03,200
accurate into what they believe and

840
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:04,320
i think

841
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:06,559
that actual assessment that was reported

842
00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:08,960
on that has not been made public and i

843
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:10,480
told people i'd like to read that

844
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:12,799
assessment i'd like to see what language

845
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:14,720
they used rather than

846
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:17,600
i think in that one this was a source

847
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:20,640
conveying what this report said to a

848
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:22,240
reporter i believe with the new york

849
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:24,080
times and so

850
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:26,080
it's kind of a telephone game you can

851
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:27,520
convey whatever you want to convey but

852
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:28,960
i'm not sure that that's exactly what

853
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:31,760
that report said but i think it's uh i

854
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:33,520
think there's definitely something

855
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:36,559
legitimately to that idea

856
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:38,240
no thanks for a good answer it's

857
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:39,520
interesting as well like you say it's a

858
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:41,840
byproduct and it's a little bit like

859
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:44,320
saying the uaps aren't necessarily a

860
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:46,480
deliberate threat but maybe just uh the

861
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:48,799
proximity you know the timing there's a

862
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:50,799
threat to us but not a deliberate one

863
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:53,200
potentially so yeah interesting um john

864
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:55,200
has a couple of questions he asks have

865
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:58,159
any of your sources changed in tone um

866
00:31:02,230 --> 00:30:59,840
did some who previously dismissed the

867
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:02,240
subject now take it seriously or are the

868
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:05,200
opposite

869
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:06,159
um

870
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:08,559
not the opposite in terms of uh there's

871
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:10,880
nobody that i've talked to who

872
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:12,880
has been working on this or was working

873
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:14,240
on this who has

874
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:15,519
since taken the tone that they're like

875
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:17,600
yeah this is bs i'm throwing my hands up

876
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:18,720
type deal

877
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:19,679
um

878
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:21,360
i mean there's

879
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:23,760
there's a significant number of those

880
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:26,080
same people and others that i speak to

881
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:27,679
who are the exact opposite end of the

882
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:30,159
spectrum who come from

883
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:31,519
all sorts of different backgrounds in

884
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:34,159
government whether it's intelligence uh

885
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:36,240
special operations that type of thing

886
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:37,039
who

887
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:38,000
um

888
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:40,000
it's extremely common for them to kind

889
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:42,159
of say look man this is not something

890
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:42,960
i'm

891
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:44,559
like i used to make fun of people for

892
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:47,279
this and everything until

893
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,640
you know

894
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:50,320
this stuff started coming out they

895
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:53,200
started seeing stuff on uh you know like

896
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:55,919
r space which um i think was mentioned

897
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:56,559
by

898
00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:58,880
lua elizondo not too long ago in a

899
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:01,519
podcast but i gotta chuckle out which is

900
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:03,279
kind of this um

901
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:06,000
classified discord server in the ic for

902
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,840
lack of a better term and so there's a

903
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:09,360
lot of discussion that goes on there and

904
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:11,200
so you know they've said once they

905
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:12,559
started seeing some of the things in

906
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:15,519
there or they started seeing some of the

907
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:18,799
issue papers or the the intel reports

908
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:20,720
that were being placed

909
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:23,039
for dissemination then suddenly like

910
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:26,080
holy crap and then

911
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:27,760
while simultaneously coming from that

912
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:30,000
world and kind of recognizing either

913
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,679
things that they can't tell me due to

914
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:33,600
classification or just the mere fact

915
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:34,880
that

916
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:37,039
there's a lot of there's a lot of cooks

917
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:38,720
in the kitchen when you put out an issue

918
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:40,320
paper or you put out an intelligence

919
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:43,120
report these aren't just this isn't just

920
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:45,120
tim one day he

921
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:46,240
uh you know

922
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:48,240
he just watched ancient aliens and so

923
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:50,799
he's gonna write this paper out and

924
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:53,120
share his beliefs and share this amongst

925
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:54,559
the entire intelligence community that's

926
00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:56,399
not how it works

927
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:57,919
so there's a lot of things that go into

928
00:33:02,470 --> 00:32:59,600
it that have to have it approved and so

929
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:02,480
they realize that when you're seeing

930
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:04,559
a topic like uap pass through all of

931
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:06,880
these different bureaucratic layers

932
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:09,440
there's something to this like there's

933
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:10,640
there's something to this there's

934
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:12,480
something of significance to it so i

935
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:14,320
would say it's definitely more the first

936
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:15,519
that uh

937
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:17,679
there's there's a lot of people a lot of

938
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:19,360
people i said the majority of them who

939
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:20,240
who

940
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:22,240
have said that within the last couple

941
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:24,480
years if this is not something they took

942
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:27,039
seriously until the last couple of years

943
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:28,799
but but based on what they've seen or

944
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:31,120
heard and what they know about the

945
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:33,120
entire process they're like there's

946
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:34,399
something to this

947
00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:36,320
this is not bs

948
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:37,919
john also wanted to know something you

949
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:39,519
mentioned way back in on the first

950
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:41,120
interview be done was the department of

951
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:42,880
energy you've mentioned them again on

952
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:45,279
this podcast uh

953
00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:47,600
they seem like the best place to

954
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,279
potentially or one of the best places to

955
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:51,120
hide something and you were quite right

956
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:52,399
i believe you said you know given the

957
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:54,000
technologies we're talking about why

958
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:55,440
wouldn't the department of energy be

959
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:57,679
interested in what may be an unlimited

960
00:34:01,430 --> 00:34:00,240
energy supply or energy source um is

961
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:01,440
that something you've done anymore

962
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:06,549
you know not

963
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,480
the easy answer there is no

964
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:10,560
simply because it's a it's a difficult

965
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:12,240
one to dig you know there's this one

966
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:14,000
thing that

967
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:16,320
you everybody has limitations and you

968
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:18,480
know i think when i i discussed the the

969
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:20,079
doe the first time the department of

970
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:21,200
energy

971
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:23,919
is by far the most

972
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:26,159
secretive of all the government agencies

973
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:28,320
in fact they possess their own

974
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:30,720
level of classification and so

975
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:31,599
you

976
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:34,720
uh i've given this analogy but it is

977
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:36,399
completely accurate that you could have

978
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:39,599
a a top sec secret sei level clearance

979
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:40,960
and you were involved in the bin laden

980
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:42,720
raid but you're not walking in a doe

981
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:43,760
building

982
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:45,599
you know that doesn't

983
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:47,440
mean that didn't match to hillary beans

984
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:48,800
for them and so it's a complete

985
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:52,399
completely separate uh organization very

986
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:55,200
compartmentalized very secluded

987
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:56,720
for obvious reasons i mean they are the

988
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:58,480
ones who control the nukes

989
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:01,200
uh and so it's not easy to get any

990
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:03,680
information out of them you know this is

991
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:05,599
not one that uh

992
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,359
you know

993
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:09,599
there's it's it's not as big as

994
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:11,599
somewhere like the dod so the likelihood

995
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:13,760
is harder and um

996
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:16,720
even if something like that was going on

997
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:18,400
so inside of an already extremely

998
00:35:22,510 --> 00:35:20,400
compartmentalized agency you would have

999
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:22,520
you would have that even more sub

1000
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:24,480
compartmentalized and so you're nearing

1001
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:26,240
it down really small scope so that's a

1002
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:28,880
difficult nut to crack

1003
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:31,359
the dewey is the only one which i kind

1004
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:33,920
of get a chuckle out that that's the

1005
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:36,480
only agency i've ever had that i

1006
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:39,119
submitted a foia to

1007
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:41,599
about uap or wanting to know basically i

1008
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:43,119
was looking for

1009
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:45,280
um

1010
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:47,359
even from their law enforcement side so

1011
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:49,680
security forces reports like have they

1012
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:51,359
ever seen you of uap near their

1013
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:53,680
facilities and everything and they're

1014
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:55,680
they're the only ones that i've ever had

1015
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:57,599
call me and say why did you send this to

1016
00:36:02,710 --> 00:35:59,200
us

1017
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:02,720
i was like there's people have written

1018
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:05,200
books about nukes and ufos i was like

1019
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:06,960
this is you know this is extremely

1020
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:08,320
talked about

1021
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:10,880
question and um

1022
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:12,160
it was an it was an interesting

1023
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:14,480
conversation because they wanted to know

1024
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,960
why i would why i would ask them and

1025
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:18,720
then um

1026
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:20,720
they were uh

1027
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:22,320
they even tried to to talk me and to

1028
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:24,079
convince me and to let them forward it

1029
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,240
to the dod and not to them i'm like no

1030
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:28,480
no just check you guys

1031
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:29,599
right okay

1032
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:30,800
yeah so

1033
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,119
does that mean anything no

1034
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:35,280
probably not probably just a foia

1035
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:36,640
officer who didn't want to deal with it

1036
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:38,240
but you know i did

1037
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:39,920
i did get a chuckle out of the fact that

1038
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:41,920
they were very they were hypersensitive

1039
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,720
to why the heck was i sending them ufo

1040
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:46,240
requests

1041
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:47,599
still that's still very interesting

1042
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:48,960
response because you would expect your

1043
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:51,119
stuff no but someone to ask that but

1044
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:53,200
like you say it's likely as just someone

1045
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:54,800
like why have you bothered sending us to

1046
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:55,760
us like

1047
00:36:59,829 --> 00:36:58,320
button but who knows

1048
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:59,839
and it came back with no response if

1049
00:37:03,270 --> 00:37:01,200
anybody's curious like they said they

1050
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:03,280
couldn't find anything after all of that

1051
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:04,880
so

1052
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:06,079
but you've done the digging if you don't

1053
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:09,680
ask you don't get um you you get and

1054
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:11,599
you're right and you get weird

1055
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:13,680
things sometimes

1056
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:14,560
i

1057
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:16,240
have

1058
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:18,640
i i've had weird

1059
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:21,920
incidences with foia officers that even

1060
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:24,640
seemed like they wanted to talk to me

1061
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:25,680
more

1062
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:29,599
uh you know down to the fact of saying

1063
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:30,480
you know

1064
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:32,400
if i reach out to you this email some

1065
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:34,480
other time would that be okay type deal

1066
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:36,560
and then never hear back from them and

1067
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:38,160
in one instance

1068
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:39,599
i reached back was like hey you

1069
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:40,640
mentioned

1070
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:41,680
you might

1071
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:42,960
and they were like no you must be

1072
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:45,359
mistaken and i was like

1073
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:47,359
uh oh okay

1074
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:48,880
because i definitely wasn't mistaken but

1075
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:50,480
but you don't deal with weird stuff like

1076
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:53,119
that that's why

1077
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:55,359
that's why i intermix the process is

1078
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:57,040
just a tool i don't think it's an end

1079
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,640
game result

1080
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:00,400
not not to need too much detail but can

1081
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:02,800
you say what you were fire foyering on

1082
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:04,480
those occasions it had to do with the

1083
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:06,640
air force had to do with ufos and it had

1084
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:08,079
to do with the air force i mean this has

1085
00:38:11,790 --> 00:38:09,599
been a couple of years ago so i don't

1086
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:11,800
remember

1087
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:15,520
specifically per se but this was a foia

1088
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:18,480
officer who i uh established a pretty

1089
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,280
good rapport with because i was you know

1090
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:23,040
joking with them about the fact that i'm

1091
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:25,599
i'm certain they get lots of uh

1092
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:27,920
interesting requests shall we say

1093
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:29,359
and you know they were kind of saying oh

1094
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:30,960
yeah you know we get stuff about the

1095
00:38:34,470 --> 00:38:32,880
secret space for us and we're like i

1096
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:34,480
don't have anything and if i did you

1097
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:35,760
just call it the secret space for us to

1098
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:36,800
be secret

1099
00:38:41,310 --> 00:38:37,599
um

1100
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:41,320
and so yeah they i can't remember

1101
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:43,760
specifically what it was

1102
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:46,320
whether it may have related towards the

1103
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:48,480
time when that whole raid area 51 thing

1104
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:50,000
was going on

1105
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:52,240
right so it was towards that but yeah

1106
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:54,960
they they just said you know if i

1107
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:57,040
uh would it be all right if i email you

1108
00:39:01,990 --> 00:38:59,680
something um or if i reach back out to

1109
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:02,000
you by this email and discuss something

1110
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:04,160
with you or mention something to you and

1111
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:05,599
i was like sure

1112
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:07,599
yeah what we got

1113
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:10,720
and then yeah after like a week or two i

1114
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:11,520
i

1115
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:18,560
me and um

1116
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:20,000
they were like i there was

1117
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,599
you must know they said no you must be

1118
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:23,520
mistaken i'm like

1119
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:25,119
uh okay

1120
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:26,960
you know definitely wasn't mistaken but

1121
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:28,400
i i don't

1122
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:30,640
whatever they alluded to

1123
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:32,560
was not specific to whatever my request

1124
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:34,640
was i'll say that much

1125
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:37,119
maybe one day that uh mailbox will ping

1126
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:39,119
unexpectedly and it'll be like actually

1127
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:41,760
i'm ready for that chat

1128
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:43,839
yeah yeah that's he was

1129
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:45,119
you know again so now i'm just putting

1130
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:46,880
on my investigator hat and inferring

1131
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:50,880
something it sounded like they

1132
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:53,200
had come across interesting stuff

1133
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:55,040
related to

1134
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:58,079
uh retaliate related at least tangibly

1135
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:00,079
or some way shape or form to the ufo

1136
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:02,720
topic but not specific to what i was

1137
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:05,520
requesting and so it was more gonna be

1138
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:06,960
one of these things where it's like hey

1139
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:09,599
you know if you requested this

1140
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:11,760
if you want it this way and ask for this

1141
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:14,000
instead of this then you would probably

1142
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:16,800
get that and um

1143
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,760
and uh yeah and in fact no i remember

1144
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:21,359
what it was i remember what it was now

1145
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:23,200
it related to

1146
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:26,640
i was looking for the uh area 51 out

1147
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:28,400
there so the nellis range security

1148
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:30,880
forces reports related to

1149
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:31,839
um

1150
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:33,760
greenpeace greenpeace years ago

1151
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:36,560
greenpeace did a protest where they

1152
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:38,160
walked into netherlands range and they

1153
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:40,079
walked all the way

1154
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,839
into area 51 significant point uh i

1155
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:45,599
think that you know

1156
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:48,160
it's been a while back uh but i think

1157
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:50,240
they let them walk for days in my mind

1158
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:52,160
i'm thinking this but it's such a huge

1159
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:54,400
place people understand until they

1160
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:56,800
rounded them up and so you could walk

1161
00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:58,640
for days before you see anything but i

1162
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:01,280
was just really interested in it because

1163
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:02,720
um

1164
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:04,079
they had

1165
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:05,760
gone through

1166
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:09,599
they were closed near where the whole uh

1167
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:13,119
s4 bob lazar supposed ufos inside the

1168
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:15,359
mountain was and so i was trying to be

1169
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:16,960
like okay is there any security forces

1170
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:18,480
reports on this

1171
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:22,400
and um i think uh i think i'd even try

1172
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:24,160
to talk to greenpeace as well i'm like

1173
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:26,480
hey anybody remember any

1174
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:28,240
any garage door hangers in the mountain

1175
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,640
out there or anything so it's really uh

1176
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:32,720
i think this goes back into the an

1177
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:35,440
article i did a long went on bob lazar

1178
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:37,040
that went out with vice

1179
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,400
that's what it was about but yeah

1180
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:40,079
whatever whatever the individual was

1181
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,400
kind of hinting at

1182
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:44,480
that's where it stemmed from it was it

1183
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:47,280
started from that but they uh

1184
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:49,040
i really don't think it was related

1185
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:51,599
specifically to that per se because we

1186
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:53,280
were more talking about

1187
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:55,440
ufos in general and interest in it but

1188
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:57,680
yeah you're right hopefully

1189
00:42:02,150 --> 00:41:59,680
if you're listening out there here i am

1190
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:02,160
man you the debrief.org my email's on

1191
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:03,200
there

1192
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:05,760
and you can cc cc me and as well yeah

1193
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:06,960
right

1194
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:09,040
we'll set up another see that'll be

1195
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:10,800
everybody will know the fourth time i'm

1196
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:12,640
on we'll have big we'll just do the big

1197
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:14,880
reveal here yeah that'll be and we'll

1198
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:16,160
have someone from greenpeace on to

1199
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:18,640
represent as well

1200
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:20,560
shifting tone a little bit uh shane

1201
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:22,480
wants to know now the i think one of the

1202
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:25,599
buzzwords of 2021 was cataclysm

1203
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:26,800
you may have seen this in various

1204
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:28,400
interviews ross cool tart michael

1205
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:30,960
masters frank melbourne john ramirez

1206
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:32,720
have all been asked about ad nauseam

1207
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:35,280
probably can you give us any insight

1208
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,800
into any

1209
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:38,880
talk or news you've heard on cataclysmic

1210
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:39,839
events

1211
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:41,760
um it may be something you've come

1212
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:44,079
across it may not

1213
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:46,720
no i mean i haven't and not no i can't

1214
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:48,160
tell you but no

1215
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:50,079
i haven't uh

1216
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:52,720
i haven't heard anything like that and

1217
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:53,680
um

1218
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:55,760
again i that's not to dismiss and say

1219
00:43:01,990 --> 00:42:58,240
that it's there's not a cataclysm coming

1220
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:02,000
uh yeah let's hope not but you know uh

1221
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,599
but at the same time i haven't heard

1222
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,520
anything like that

1223
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,200
and um

1224
00:43:10,829 --> 00:43:09,599
both pro or con and a lot of it comes

1225
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:10,839
from you know

1226
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:13,280
um people like like ross like i have a

1227
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:14,960
lot of respect for ross i like ross a

1228
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:16,640
lot um

1229
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:18,160
but everybody you just mentioned ross

1230
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:19,599
and everything we all kind of run in

1231
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:21,440
different circles if that makes sense

1232
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:22,560
like i i

1233
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:25,040
stick a lot you know my lane is very

1234
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:27,200
closely aligned inside the pentagon and

1235
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:30,640
dod lane and doesn't expand out there as

1236
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:32,720
much um

1237
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:33,520
and

1238
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:35,440
into the areas that i know that ross has

1239
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:37,040
really looked into you know i've always

1240
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:38,480
been pretty

1241
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:40,880
open with the fact that uh the idea of

1242
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:42,640
crash recoveries and materials and stuff

1243
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:45,920
is not a it's not an avenue that i have

1244
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:48,240
gone down with any seriousness

1245
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:50,160
not because i totally dismiss it but but

1246
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,839
just because it's

1247
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:53,520
i'm focused on this right now rather

1248
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:55,119
than keep going down that rabbit hole

1249
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:56,560
and we have people like ross that are

1250
00:44:02,230 --> 00:43:59,520
doing it so yeah sorry i don't i don't

1251
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:02,240
know i'll be just as uh excited as

1252
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:04,079
everybody else in shock if the cataclysm

1253
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:05,040
comes

1254
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,560
well again it's like you say though you

1255
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:08,720
don't you don't want one too and it's

1256
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:11,119
it's very hard to prove anyone right

1257
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,400
until

1258
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:14,640
we have some kind of predicted

1259
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:16,640
cataclysmic event some huge super

1260
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:19,359
volcano eruption or you know some awful

1261
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:21,359
event that someone can go yep that was

1262
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:23,520
the one until then it's always going to

1263
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,839
be the angeli actually the beings

1264
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:26,880
decided

1265
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:31,750
i heard that that didn't that didn't go

1266
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:33,920
through and yeah and i mean

1267
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:36,480
this is not to down anybody by any means

1268
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:38,079
uh this is just me out of personal

1269
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:41,839
preferences i i tried to steer i steer

1270
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:44,160
clear of a lot of that stuff

1271
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:46,880
simply because at least from the outside

1272
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,160
it uh

1273
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:50,400
it smacks a lot of mythology and there's

1274
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,880
more of a religiosity in it and that's

1275
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:54,160
again i'm not doubting anybody's

1276
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:57,599
religion i'm not saying uh that that uh

1277
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:59,839
that is just myth and maybe there is a

1278
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:01,599
cataclysm but uh

1279
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,160
you know if you look in terms of uh

1280
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:06,640
religious behaviors uh

1281
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:08,960
last 2000 years this idea of a cataclysm

1282
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:11,599
coming the savior you know some people

1283
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:13,760
transmit that onto this the aliens you

1284
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:15,520
know for for christians it's jesus you

1285
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:18,160
know that it gets into a realm that's

1286
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:19,520
just not my

1287
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,680
area of expertise is at and it's

1288
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:25,680
interpretation too like cataclysm

1289
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:27,680
armageddon the end of something it's

1290
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,839
just the beginning of something new and

1291
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:31,680
all the stuff for the mayan calendars

1292
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:33,200
and you know it's the end of this it's

1293
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:35,839
end of a cycle and it just gets to and

1294
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:37,680
there's always an excuse and that's i

1295
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,520
like to say it's not to downplay it

1296
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:41,520
maybe there was some horrendous event

1297
00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:43,520
adverted in which case we've got some

1298
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:45,920
ethereal beings to thank for that

1299
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:47,920
amazing but

1300
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:49,520
yes hope it just never comes true

1301
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:52,000
because it's not one we want to

1302
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:53,599
i would recommend everybody live their

1303
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:55,839
life and enjoy it you know that's all

1304
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:57,920
i'll say on that is that it's kind of

1305
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,960
like

1306
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:00,400
in america they used to have a show

1307
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:02,240
called doomsday preppers where these

1308
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:03,760
people you know they yeah bunker like

1309
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:05,119
they spent a lot and some of these

1310
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:07,839
people spent tons of money hundreds of

1311
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:09,520
thousands of dollars i saw some of those

1312
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:10,640
hundreds

1313
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,720
and i remember feeling bad

1314
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:14,640
i'm like man spend the money go to

1315
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:15,680
disney world or something like what are

1316
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:17,200
you going to do if you live your entire

1317
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:18,800
life and die and then the cataclysm

1318
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,599
doesn't come and you're like got it yeah

1319
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:23,280
i've got all these mres and everything

1320
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:24,880
so it's one of these things that i think

1321
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:27,040
being prepared i mean i'm i'm originally

1322
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:29,440
from the south southeast coast of

1323
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:31,839
georgia right there on the beach i've

1324
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:34,079
gone through several hurricanes i know

1325
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:36,480
so being prepared is is one thing but

1326
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:37,760
yeah i think

1327
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:40,880
uh i think people can can get in trouble

1328
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:42,480
and um

1329
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:44,160
it it just

1330
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:46,160
cannot live a fulfilled life if you're

1331
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:48,079
if you're kind of anticipating the end

1332
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:50,319
or cataclysm of something every day not

1333
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:51,599
saying that that's what's going on with

1334
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:53,599
what you mentioned but that would be my

1335
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:55,920
advice for anybody out here is uh you

1336
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:56,640
know

1337
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:58,160
don't don't live every day waiting for

1338
00:47:01,990 --> 00:46:59,760
the cataclysm

1339
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:02,000
yeah two thousand boxes are twinkies and

1340
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:03,680
ten thousand gallons of water there's a

1341
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:06,000
lot a lot to store um

1342
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:07,359
but again if that's if that's what

1343
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:10,640
you're into that more power to you right

1344
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:12,800
um a couple of questions then you're

1345
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:14,960
more controversial and we'll touch on

1346
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:16,640
them strafe wanted to know and we always

1347
00:47:20,549 --> 00:47:18,880
like to give a balanced approach um can

1348
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:20,559
you follow up on some of the doctor

1349
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:22,160
steven grier financials you tweeted

1350
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:23,680
about last year

1351
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:24,480
sure

1352
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:26,079
um i mean there's not much follow-up i

1353
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:28,240
can give on them other than what i

1354
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:31,440
shared and uh i really haven't spent a

1355
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:33,280
significant amount of time with steven

1356
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:35,520
greer i don't pay attention to stephen

1357
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:36,559
greer

1358
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:39,520
very much um and so

1359
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:42,079
it's not somebody that i've really

1360
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:45,040
considered to be credible not you know

1361
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:46,720
i say that with love here because i know

1362
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:48,880
that he has a large and passionate fan

1363
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:51,680
base uh he did block me on twitter

1364
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:54,000
maybe because of those financials but uh

1365
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:56,160
i think a lot of people asked me about

1366
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:58,480
that and um

1367
00:48:02,230 --> 00:48:00,400
you know there were certain aspects of

1368
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:02,240
of his business model and everything

1369
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:05,680
that i think i question

1370
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:07,920
and i think with those tax forms that

1371
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:10,640
was uh those are all open public record

1372
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:11,680
that he

1373
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:13,839
for a point in time was running a

1374
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:15,200
um

1375
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:16,480
a a

1376
00:48:20,309 --> 00:48:18,800
non-profit organization so his c said he

1377
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:20,319
was a non-profit so you have to report

1378
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:21,839
all of that stuff

1379
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:24,079
and uh i have never had the opportunity

1380
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:25,599
to ask him but there were there were

1381
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:28,319
things in those financials that i think

1382
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:30,400
legitimately

1383
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:33,440
people would be okay in asking and

1384
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:35,839
especially asking before they spent

1385
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:37,040
you know a thousand fifteen hundred

1386
00:48:40,390 --> 00:48:38,240
dollars whatever it is to go on a

1387
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:40,400
retreat or one of these things uh you

1388
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:42,079
know what those financials revealed is

1389
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:42,800
that

1390
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:44,000
stuff like

1391
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:46,319
being paid a salary as the director of

1392
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:48,720
cse but then also paying a management

1393
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:49,920
firm

1394
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:53,680
was solely owned by him i mean they

1395
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:54,720
these are

1396
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:56,240
you know we're shifting

1397
00:49:01,670 --> 00:48:59,359
i i i've founded and ran two different

1398
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:01,680
non-profits years ago so there's certain

1399
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:03,359
things that you know

1400
00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:04,640
and you're supposed to have a board of

1401
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:05,839
directors there's certain things you

1402
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:07,680
know that aren't uh

1403
00:49:11,589 --> 00:49:09,040
that

1404
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:11,599
as a non-profit you're not supposed to

1405
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:13,520
be doing or you're not supposed to be

1406
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:15,520
running it for the idea of making a

1407
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:16,800
profit now

1408
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:18,800
that actual nonprofit is defunct

1409
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:20,480
whatever his companies are now is a

1410
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:22,400
profit business and so therefore any way

1411
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:24,079
he wants to go about it more power to

1412
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:26,400
him but that was the basis behind

1413
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:28,400
putting those uh financials out as

1414
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:29,680
people

1415
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:31,359
especially during that time were often

1416
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:33,280
asking me why i

1417
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:34,720
didn't

1418
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:36,880
put a lot of credit and credibility into

1419
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:39,119
stephen greer and i just said there's

1420
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:42,160
stuff that i think raises questions to

1421
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:44,160
me that haven't been adequately answered

1422
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:45,440
we can start with these financial

1423
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:47,119
records right here

1424
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:48,000
and so

1425
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:49,760
you know if you're kind of playing a

1426
00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:51,680
shell game with peter and paul to pay

1427
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:53,359
mary

1428
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:54,880
in terms of putting extra money in your

1429
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:57,280
pocket i'm gonna kind of question that

1430
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:59,119
when you're talking about you know

1431
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:00,800
summoning down

1432
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:04,000
incorporeal or non-human entities

1433
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:04,880
um

1434
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:06,079
and that's something that you're

1435
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:07,680
charging people for

1436
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:09,040
you know that's

1437
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:11,520
i do you know does he have a copyright

1438
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:15,200
on the aliens like why you know they if

1439
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:18,000
if if i knew how to to to bring aliens

1440
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:19,839
about this is not something i would be

1441
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:22,079
charging ten dollars

1442
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:22,800
for

1443
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:24,000
or a thousand

1444
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:26,480
or actually what you would do is get a

1445
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:28,880
live camera crew go to the white house

1446
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:29,680
and

1447
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:31,119
i'm sure there are plenty of new

1448
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:33,280
stations we'd go on live and you know

1449
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:34,640
what we're going to summon some objects

1450
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:37,280
over the white house and overnight you

1451
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:38,640
are

1452
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:40,880
multi multi millionaire the most famous

1453
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:42,960
man on the planet in the same way i've

1454
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:45,520
always said that um i would convert to

1455
00:50:49,829 --> 00:50:47,520
scientology if tom cruise could prove to

1456
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:49,839
me that he can levitate which apparently

1457
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:51,359
is what he can do at the level he's at

1458
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:52,800
and i saw an interview where he claimed

1459
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,760
that once but he never has so until then

1460
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:58,079
uh and and for people who reach out like

1461
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:00,160
i would happily interview dr steven

1462
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:03,200
greer um i have reached out directly and

1463
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:06,079
indirectly and nothing so

1464
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:07,359
but that's he doesn't owe me an

1465
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,440
interview so there you go yeah but no

1466
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:11,040
that's that's a fair answer uh tim and

1467
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:13,520
on the same on the same breath at et ufo

1468
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:15,520
disclosure i wanted to know why wouldn't

1469
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:17,920
tim answer the question about 80s living

1470
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:20,240
and walking amongst us

1471
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:22,400
well okay uh

1472
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:24,960
because clearly i am a part of the

1473
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:28,480
cover-up i know um

1474
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:30,240
the honest answer there is because it

1475
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:32,400
did i've never uh

1476
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:34,880
i have never seen nor been presented

1477
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:36,559
with any type of

1478
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:38,640
legitimate irrefutable evidence that

1479
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:41,280
suggests et's are walking amongst us i

1480
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:43,280
understand there are

1481
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:45,839
a number of people out there who believe

1482
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:47,520
that they could be they believe through

1483
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:49,280
personal experience

1484
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:50,559
great

1485
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:52,400
that is just not something i do not have

1486
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:54,400
that same personal experience nor has

1487
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:56,960
that information ever been shared with

1488
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:59,200
me in a manner that i'm like okay wow

1489
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:01,280
this is consistent with the rules of

1490
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:02,880
evidence and this

1491
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:05,680
this is legitimate so uh

1492
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:07,839
yeah i mean that's um

1493
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:09,359
it's a lot of putting the cart before

1494
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:12,000
the horse too and i think maybe people

1495
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:13,599
get frustrated with me because i'm like

1496
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:16,400
look i'm trying to dig into why is the

1497
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:17,599
department of defense taking this

1498
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:19,280
seriously and how are they taking it

1499
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:21,599
seriously and what are they seeing

1500
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:23,280
and what are their interpretations of

1501
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:25,200
that and then i think sometimes people

1502
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:26,240
get mad because they're like well why

1503
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:28,960
aren't you investigating the

1504
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:30,319
the skinwalker ranch or why aren't you

1505
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:32,640
investigating uh you know all of these

1506
00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:34,800
things that are alien abductions and i'm

1507
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:35,839
like

1508
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:37,520
i'm just not there yet

1509
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:39,280
i'm still trying to figure out why

1510
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:41,119
they're taking this seriously i'm not at

1511
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:42,720
that same level

1512
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:44,559
let me ask tim what what do you think

1513
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:46,640
when you see bob bigelow on his famous

1514
00:52:50,549 --> 00:52:48,319
60 minutes appearance

1515
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:50,559
uh say that aliens are right under our

1516
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:53,359
nose and he knows that for a fact and

1517
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:55,599
that's quite a big personality to sit on

1518
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:57,599
a very serious show

1519
00:53:02,630 --> 00:53:01,200
and make that sort of claim does that

1520
00:53:04,470 --> 00:53:02,640
well it's not something you want to look

1521
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:04,480
into yourself does it make you think

1522
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:07,680
maybe there is something more to it

1523
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:08,720
no

1524
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:17,200
that i've interviewed and especially

1525
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:18,960
anybody that i've really

1526
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:21,040
went in depth interviews profiled let's

1527
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:22,800
say uh louis lozano would be a good

1528
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:24,319
example of someone half profile where i

1529
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:25,200
spent

1530
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:26,480
years

1531
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:29,119
conversing with off and on uh and

1532
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:30,640
probing and asking all sorts of

1533
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:32,079
questions and everything

1534
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:34,800
is that um a lot of that

1535
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:37,280
you know comes from why

1536
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:40,079
you know why does bob bigelow say that

1537
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:42,960
you know does that come from he has been

1538
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:44,880
provided information

1539
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:47,359
concrete evidence you know irrefutable

1540
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:50,800
evidence that he knows this for a fact

1541
00:53:56,069 --> 00:53:52,960
or is that a belief is that a belief

1542
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:56,079
based on uh his interpretation of other

1543
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:57,760
evidence his interpretation of things

1544
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:59,760
that he's seen that you know it goes

1545
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:01,440
back into even what we were talking

1546
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:03,599
about uh at the first part of the show

1547
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:06,480
when we talked about how uh chris mellon

1548
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:08,480
uh has been quoted and saying that you

1549
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:10,640
know the idea that this that ufos could

1550
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:13,680
be aliens is a real possibility whereas

1551
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:15,599
louis elizondo has mentioned things that

1552
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:17,839
maybe are stranger to some you know

1553
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:19,839
interdimensionals this type of thing

1554
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:21,839
you know and i my answer that was i

1555
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:23,520
think that's an interpretation by each

1556
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:25,040
individual and so

1557
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:26,640
with bob bigelow saying that is it an

1558
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:30,000
interpretation and i think that it's

1559
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:32,960
very easy for people

1560
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:34,960
in any field doesn't matter if it's ufos

1561
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:36,640
it can be sports

1562
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:39,760
to take personalities or take people

1563
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:42,319
because they're very successful whether

1564
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:43,680
they're a billionaire like robert

1565
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:45,119
bigelow or whether they've had

1566
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:46,880
successful years in the intelligence

1567
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:48,799
community whether they're

1568
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:49,599
you know

1569
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:51,280
former defense ministers you name it

1570
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:54,000
they've had these credentials and then

1571
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:55,040
uh

1572
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:55,839
me

1573
00:55:01,109 --> 00:54:59,520
therefore

1574
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:01,119
everything that they say or their

1575
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:03,280
beliefs or their interpretations of

1576
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:05,359
things are therefore correct and

1577
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:07,359
therefore accurate that's not

1578
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:10,720
necessarily true you know and that's

1579
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:13,440
a lot of it uh it kind of reminds me of

1580
00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:16,240
the israeli uh

1581
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:18,640
space rocket scientists what was it last

1582
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:20,240
year i think that came out talking about

1583
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:22,880
the secret space alliance i think and

1584
00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:25,760
basis on the mars and everything yeah

1585
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:28,559
and because of who he is

1586
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:30,480
you hear that and you go

1587
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:32,160
holy cow

1588
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:33,440
but then

1589
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:34,720
once uh

1590
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:37,359
you know the once that same reporter was

1591
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:39,119
spoken with and once there was a lot of

1592
00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:40,559
follow-up there you start to realize

1593
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:41,599
okay

1594
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:44,000
he's saying that from his interpretation

1595
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:46,079
of

1596
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:48,160
tv shows that he's watched books that

1597
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:50,400
he's read that is all the same you and i

1598
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:52,880
could read um this has not come from

1599
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:54,319
anything official in his official

1600
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:56,559
capacity but because of who he is it

1601
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:58,559
obviously makes them stunning

1602
00:56:02,390 --> 00:55:59,599
whoa

1603
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:02,400
so yeah you know that's

1604
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:04,240
certainly because bob bigelow has

1605
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:06,079
invested a significant amount of time

1606
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:08,559
and effort and money into this subject

1607
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:11,599
does his does the fact that that is his

1608
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:14,240
belief system does the fact that uh

1609
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:16,319
you know that's where he leans into it

1610
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:18,400
whole more way well yeah it holds more

1611
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:20,880
than you or me because we haven't so i

1612
00:56:23,829 --> 00:56:22,960
think in that regards yes but i think it

1613
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:23,839
should

1614
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:28,799
feel bad for saying okay but why do you

1615
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:32,000
believe that you know asking why

1616
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:34,240
and so for that one it wouldn't change

1617
00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:36,000
my opinion simply because of that part

1618
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:37,920
of uh why do you believe that has never

1619
00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:40,640
i've never heard that answer yet

1620
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:42,160
but i don't dismiss it you know that's

1621
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:45,200
the thing it's i'm agnostic to it

1622
00:56:48,069 --> 00:56:46,960
no fair fair point i've got two more

1623
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:48,079
questions tim you've been really good

1624
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:50,160
with your time today um first up from

1625
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:52,240
gary uh the baffling nature of this

1626
00:56:55,990 --> 00:56:54,160
topic has been pretty consistent it

1627
00:56:58,230 --> 00:56:56,000
seems to be toying with us

1628
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:58,240
do you think the confusion elusiveness

1629
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:00,160
and lack of solid proof are somehow a

1630
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:03,920
built-in aspect of this phenomenon

1631
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:06,480
oh man that's a lot of what if i just

1632
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:07,839
said yes

1633
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:12,000
gary you have figured it out you're uh

1634
00:57:14,710 --> 00:57:13,280
i don't know

1635
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:14,720
i mean

1636
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:16,799
the honest answer is i don't know but am

1637
00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:18,319
i gonna say that what gary's saying

1638
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:20,240
there is is

1639
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:22,480
wrong crazy or

1640
00:57:25,829 --> 00:57:24,000
any of that stuff that maybe people

1641
00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:25,839
criticize her with no and i think it's

1642
00:57:30,309 --> 00:57:28,240
okay what he's asking i think that

1643
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:30,319
it's also okay to say i don't know and

1644
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:33,359
and not easily dismiss that because

1645
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:35,599
we don't know and there are obviously a

1646
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:37,599
lot of aspects about this phenomenon

1647
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:39,359
there's a lot of aspects about a lot of

1648
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:40,720
life that

1649
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:42,079
is weird

1650
00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:45,920
it's bizarre we don't understand and so

1651
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:47,359
um

1652
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:48,319
you know

1653
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:50,880
we we look at that and wonder is this

1654
00:57:55,349 --> 00:57:52,720
something that is toying with us for

1655
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:55,359
reasons we don't know perhaps you know

1656
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:57,599
there there's at least if we looked at

1657
00:58:01,510 --> 00:57:59,200
you know the abductive

1658
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:01,520
information that we have not abductions

1659
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:03,839
but rather the evidence that was known

1660
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:04,880
to us

1661
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:06,799
you know we can infer that some things

1662
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:07,920
that

1663
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:12,400
blatantly be known to the wider world or

1664
00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:13,920
greater public there's certainly people

1665
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:15,200
who believe that they have been

1666
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:17,280
contacted or hand contact

1667
00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:18,480
maybe they have

1668
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:20,559
nobody's contacted me and so i'm falling

1669
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:22,720
to that greater public category that's

1670
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:23,680
that's

1671
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:25,760
uh unknown and so

1672
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:29,359
clearly if that's all accurate there's

1673
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:30,960
one would assume there's a method to the

1674
00:58:34,950 --> 00:58:33,440
madness behind it but but it is it is a

1675
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:34,960
topic where i've heard people talk about

1676
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:36,960
the trickster and that type of thing

1677
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:39,280
where i can certainly see why that

1678
00:58:43,030 --> 00:58:41,040
interpretation comes out i can certainly

1679
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:43,040
see that because i see it

1680
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:46,799
not just in the events but but

1681
00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:48,160
like everything that has to do with this

1682
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:50,079
topic it's very paranormal and that

1683
00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:52,880
nobody acts normally you know the dod

1684
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:55,280
doesn't act normally people it just it

1685
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:56,799
gets weird

1686
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:58,559
if if that's something you're interested

1687
00:59:02,230 --> 00:59:00,079
in for me and you're listening to this

1688
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:02,240
right now then kurt joy mungo on

1689
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:04,480
theories of everything just yesterday

1690
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:07,200
hosted dr.com kelleher and george knapp

1691
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:08,640
talking about their skin walkers at the

1692
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:11,040
pentagon book and more and it's a really

1693
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:13,680
balanced reasoned approach it's not

1694
00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:15,920
totally biased because cur asked those

1695
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:17,280
questions from very much a place of

1696
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:18,799
curiosity which you should as an

1697
00:59:22,710 --> 00:59:20,799
interviewer and it's well worth looking

1698
00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:22,720
into and of course my own interview with

1699
00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:24,720
george and calm as well which is pretty

1700
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:27,760
good i should say um and lastly tim i'm

1701
00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:29,359
going to touch on something that gets

1702
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:30,960
asked by loads of people whenever i

1703
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:32,880
speak to you you'll be sick of talking

1704
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:34,400
about it and we did talk about it on the

1705
00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:37,040
last podcast from tim tim long time

1706
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:38,960
listener and supporter of the podcast

1707
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:40,319
tim staley

1708
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:42,640
uh triangle emerging from the ocean day

1709
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:45,040
2022 question mark

1710
00:59:48,789 --> 00:59:47,280
has there been any change now am i right

1711
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:48,799
in remembering tim because someone did

1712
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:49,520
ask

1713
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:51,839
you have not seen this alleged picture

1714
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:54,079
slash video yourself but you have spoken

1715
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:56,240
to individuals who have seen the

1716
00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:58,160
apparent uh triangle emerging from the

1717
01:00:01,589 --> 00:59:59,760
ocean

1718
01:00:02,549 --> 01:00:01,599
allegedly yes

1719
01:00:03,670 --> 01:00:02,559
um

1720
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:03,680
you know that's always been when i've

1721
01:00:08,230 --> 01:00:07,119
been kg on yeah good for good reason

1722
01:00:11,109 --> 01:00:08,240
uh

1723
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:14,630
i know that this image exists

1724
01:00:18,870 --> 01:00:17,200
and uh and and so

1725
01:00:20,549 --> 01:00:18,880
maybe i have spoken to people maybe i

1726
01:00:22,309 --> 01:00:20,559
have but i haven't seen it so there you

1727
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:22,319
go but uh

1728
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:25,440
has there been any change in it no um

1729
01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:28,559
i will say that

1730
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:31,520
all information and anything surrounding

1731
01:00:35,190 --> 01:00:33,760
that image went

1732
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:35,200
totally dark

1733
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:37,599
after i published that article

1734
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:39,440
and so that was uh

1735
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:43,200
that was certainly an area that uh

1736
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:45,839
struck a nerve with a lot of people

1737
01:00:50,309 --> 01:00:47,599
are you saying you're to blame for us

1738
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:50,319
not getting the same photo no i don't

1739
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:52,240
think uh no no i don't think that was

1740
01:00:55,510 --> 01:00:53,680
ever anything that was going to be

1741
01:00:58,069 --> 01:00:55,520
released anytime soon by any means

1742
01:00:59,670 --> 01:00:58,079
wasn't my fault but it wasn't released

1743
01:01:01,589 --> 01:00:59,680
rather uh

1744
01:01:04,150 --> 01:01:01,599
probably even the information that of

1745
01:01:06,549 --> 01:01:04,160
its existence was something that was not

1746
01:01:07,589 --> 01:01:06,559
supposed to be released

1747
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:07,599
and so

1748
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:09,520
that's an answer i expected tim let me

1749
01:01:13,589 --> 01:01:11,440
follow up then with do you think or

1750
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:13,599
expect we've got a a good chance of

1751
01:01:17,589 --> 01:01:16,079
seeing some new footage or our images

1752
01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:17,599
this year like we've had over the last

1753
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:19,440
couple of years

1754
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:25,030
i don't know maybe

1755
01:01:28,470 --> 01:01:26,559
i don't know not the triangle i wouldn't

1756
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:28,480
anticipate that coming sure

1757
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:30,960
but uh i think we could see some new

1758
01:01:35,109 --> 01:01:33,280
footage come out maybe i think it could

1759
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:35,119
could i don't know whether it'll be from

1760
01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:36,880
i think with the same level of quality

1761
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:38,640
as the dod i don't i'm not certain that

1762
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:39,520
it

1763
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:41,599
necessarily will be the dod

1764
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:42,799
um

1765
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:44,160
and uh

1766
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:46,799
that that's perhaps a slight hint that i

1767
01:01:50,789 --> 01:01:48,480
mentioned earlier that you know we were

1768
01:01:52,470 --> 01:01:50,799
working on some stuff with the different

1769
01:01:54,630 --> 01:01:52,480
government agencies

1770
01:01:57,349 --> 01:01:54,640
that exist out there that also have

1771
01:01:59,589 --> 01:01:57,359
different uh isr capabilities who are in

1772
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:59,599
the air and so you know they could have

1773
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:01,440
captured some stuff that has the same

1774
01:02:05,109 --> 01:02:03,680
level of provenance as those navy pilot

1775
01:02:07,270 --> 01:02:05,119
videos

1776
01:02:09,910 --> 01:02:07,280
perhaps that could come out that would

1777
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:09,920
be cool that would be neat um

1778
01:02:11,829 --> 01:02:10,960
we'll see

1779
01:02:14,789 --> 01:02:11,839
uh

1780
01:02:16,470 --> 01:02:14,799
i don't anticipate i i well let me

1781
01:02:19,190 --> 01:02:16,480
backtrack

1782
01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:19,200
i don't have any evidence to suggest

1783
01:02:23,349 --> 01:02:21,200
that the dod is preparing to release

1784
01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:23,359
anything new but

1785
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:25,200
just as we just mentioned

1786
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:26,960
this topic is paranormal and that

1787
01:02:30,630 --> 01:02:28,960
nothing acts normally we could get off

1788
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:30,640
of this interview by the time you air

1789
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:31,760
this interview

1790
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:33,760
uh the the

1791
01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:35,920
treasure trove the keys the the crown

1792
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:37,920
jewels could be unveiled the dod has

1793
01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:39,680
just dumped it all online and said here

1794
01:02:44,470 --> 01:02:42,160
you go with the they could change the

1795
01:02:47,029 --> 01:02:44,480
the triangle emerging from the water as

1796
01:02:50,630 --> 01:02:47,039
their official seal for the dod

1797
01:02:53,829 --> 01:02:50,640
so yeah that's just how this topic goes

1798
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:53,839
uh so i don't anticipate it but uh

1799
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:56,079
we'll see we'll see i didn't i didn't

1800
01:03:00,470 --> 01:02:58,000
anticipate the the legislation that was

1801
01:03:01,270 --> 01:03:00,480
coming up uh that just passed this past

1802
01:03:04,630 --> 01:03:01,280
year

1803
01:03:07,109 --> 01:03:04,640
um so yeah i don't know we'll see

1804
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:07,119
where the pressure's at um

1805
01:03:11,510 --> 01:03:09,680
you never know but i just know that

1806
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:11,520
since a lot of the chatter since a lot

1807
01:03:15,589 --> 01:03:13,440
of the reporting and everything

1808
01:03:17,510 --> 01:03:15,599
the doj has tried to clamp down on that

1809
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:17,520
as much as possible

1810
01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:20,160
and keep that in house so it makes it a

1811
01:03:24,309 --> 01:03:22,559
lot more difficult for people like me or

1812
01:03:25,349 --> 01:03:24,319
other reporters to really get anything

1813
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:25,359
out of

1814
01:03:28,309 --> 01:03:26,880
it's not as easy it used to be the wild

1815
01:03:30,309 --> 01:03:28,319
wild west when i first started reporting

1816
01:03:31,910 --> 01:03:30,319
on this a couple years ago now it's not

1817
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:31,920
as easy anymore

1818
01:03:34,870 --> 01:03:33,599
well listen it might not be certain but

1819
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:34,880
i know one thing is for certain that

1820
01:03:38,549 --> 01:03:36,480
this year there'll be plenty of quality

1821
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:38,559
content coming out from yourself and the

1822
01:03:42,630 --> 01:03:41,119
debrief tim how can people find you how

1823
01:03:45,589 --> 01:03:42,640
can they follow your work how can they

1824
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:45,599
find the debrief sure yeah uh debrief

1825
01:03:50,789 --> 01:03:47,520
you can check us out with daily content

1826
01:03:52,630 --> 01:03:50,799
uh at the debrief.org

1827
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:52,640
so feel free to drop by like i said

1828
01:03:55,829 --> 01:03:53,920
there's stuff that we have coming out

1829
01:03:58,069 --> 01:03:55,839
constantly that if even if it isn't

1830
01:03:59,829 --> 01:03:58,079
about ufos like we try to do really

1831
01:04:02,870 --> 01:03:59,839
quality content when it when it comes to

1832
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:02,880
there but we also cover science and tech

1833
01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:04,400
and i tell people

1834
01:04:08,710 --> 01:04:06,000
not only is it really cool in cutting

1835
01:04:10,710 --> 01:04:08,720
edge science and tech stuff but uh we

1836
01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:10,720
cover stuff that i think even if you're

1837
01:04:17,109 --> 01:04:14,000
just interested in ufos you walk away a

1838
01:04:19,270 --> 01:04:17,119
more informed on the subject because

1839
01:04:21,430 --> 01:04:19,280
we're reporting on the cutting edges of

1840
01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:21,440
science what's the latest uh science

1841
01:04:25,829 --> 01:04:24,079
technology developments well what is

1842
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:25,839
what is the status of metamaterials

1843
01:04:30,789 --> 01:04:28,079
hypersonics aerospace so you have an

1844
01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:30,799
idea of where we're at you know in

1845
01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:33,520
reality and so that's a good baseline in

1846
01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:35,200
comparing

1847
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:36,880
what people report and what they report

1848
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:38,400
seeing you can say well there's no way

1849
01:04:43,109 --> 01:04:40,480
because we're you know there's no way

1850
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:43,119
that uh this hyper this something that's

1851
01:04:47,430 --> 01:04:45,119
that's maintaining hypersonic speed

1852
01:04:48,870 --> 01:04:47,440
consistently can be a secret aircraft

1853
01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:48,880
because we don't even have the material

1854
01:04:52,630 --> 01:04:50,720
science to do that and i know that

1855
01:04:55,349 --> 01:04:52,640
because the duty brief told me in x y

1856
01:04:58,549 --> 01:04:55,359
and z so feel free to check that out

1857
01:05:01,510 --> 01:04:58,559
daily content at thedebrief.org or i'm

1858
01:05:04,470 --> 01:05:01,520
on twitter at lt tim mcmillan

1859
01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:04,480
m-c-m-i-l-o-a-n

1860
01:05:09,589 --> 01:05:06,480
you can find me on there sporadically

1861
01:05:11,029 --> 01:05:09,599
usually i like to get go on there and

1862
01:05:13,430 --> 01:05:11,039
getting a good twitter feud or not when

1863
01:05:14,309 --> 01:05:13,440
i'm bored have a couple beers so you

1864
01:05:16,710 --> 01:05:14,319
know

1865
01:05:18,309 --> 01:05:16,720
what social media is intent for

1866
01:05:20,069 --> 01:05:18,319
and all those links will be available in

1867
01:05:22,390 --> 01:05:20,079
the description for this podcast as well

1868
01:05:23,510 --> 01:05:22,400
so tim as always good talking to you and

1869
01:05:25,589 --> 01:05:23,520
i'll look forward to the next time

1870
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:25,599
hopefully it's not too long no no

1871
01:05:28,150 --> 01:05:27,119
absolutely and it's always a pleasure

1872
01:05:30,230 --> 01:05:28,160
man

1873
01:05:32,150 --> 01:05:30,240
that is all for this week's show thank

1874
01:05:34,230 --> 01:05:32,160
you very much for listening please

1875
01:05:36,870 --> 01:05:34,240
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1876
01:05:39,190 --> 01:05:36,880
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1877
01:05:41,109 --> 01:05:39,200
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1878
01:05:43,270 --> 01:05:41,119
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01:05:44,789 --> 01:05:43,280
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01:05:47,270 --> 01:05:44,799
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1881
01:05:49,990 --> 01:05:47,280
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01:05:52,230 --> 01:05:50,000
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1883
01:05:55,029 --> 01:05:52,240
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1884
01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:55,039
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1885
01:06:00,630 --> 01:05:58,720
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1886
01:06:03,430 --> 01:06:00,640
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1887
01:06:24,390 --> 01:06:03,440
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1888
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:30,490
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01:07:40,789 --> 01:07:09,550
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consider your heart consider time

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